This year?

We are talking about the last 5-8 years, do try to keep up with the grownups.

 

Sorry, tenguy, I live in the present. You know, where things actually matter. I also don't see why you're trying to prove a point of crisis at precisely the time where the largest recession in my lifetime occurred. It's disingenuous at best, but I suppose the "grown ups" already know that and choose to ignore it in order to support their preconceived notions.

 

Have you been to San Francisco in the last year or so?
It's become a landfill. A garbage dump.
A trash pit with endless traffic jams, filthy streets, incredibly high rents and housing costs, overbearing government regulations that protect illegal immigrants, criminals, and punish business.
I used to like visiting San Francisco; you never knew what new oddity you might see and it was pleasant country. I hate even going on business now, and would never go for a vacation.

 

San Francisco is different from the Bay Area. Some people like to live in SF, then commute to the South Bay (Silicon Valley) where the jobs are. I've never understood that.

 

Yep. Except Too Goddam many people moving there. Property and rents are getting as silly as California.
Plus, them immigrants to Colorado can't drive worth a shit.

 

And we've already seen that system and it doesn't work.

I'd give at least some credit to the New Deal. The topic is actually of great debate amongst economists.

 

The reality is that the great depression started in 1930, and continued until 1940, during which the "new deal" was enacted between 1933 and 1938.
Buildup for WWII began in 1938 but started in earnest in 1940 and continued until 1945. A mild recession occurred in 1946 as the US economy moved off of a war footing.
The new deal had very little impact on the economy, other than getting some work in return for what amounted to government welfare.

 

No, WWII got us out of the "great depression"

- shootersa

Once again, pure unmitigated bullshit. WWII ended the Great Depression.

- tenguy

The Great Depression was ended by high government spending and high government employment paid for by high taxes on the well to do. Military spending is government spending. As I have pointed out previously it did not have to be military spending. It had to be government spending. The private sector was not producing enough jobs.

 

Taxcuts will not pay off the debt, who the hell ever claimed that?

- tenguy

Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump.

*not_secure_link*www.debates.org/index.php?page=october-28-1980-debate-transcript

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ba21f33_story.html?wpmm=1&wpisrc=nl_headlines

 

Regardless, government spending DID get us out of the GD. Was it WWII? Was it the New Deal? A combination?
Again, the subject is of great debate.

 

Shooters travel tips;
Be sure to hit the 4 corners area; around Dove Creek and Dolores are my favorites.
Oh, and hit the Glenwood Hot Springs. Bring a friend; ain't no sex like hot spring sex, and you can rent hotel rooms that have a natural hot spring feeding the hot tub that is in the room.
Or, you can risk arrest and do it at the public pool .............

 

Shooter....sex is always better, when there is a little risk involved.

 

Keep your day job.

 

Aw come on, that was a good joke.

 

This is strikingly like Obama's "you didn't create it, Government did" speech.

Roosevelt's New Deal wasn't ending the depression. That was also massive government spending. Most of Roosevelt's programs were in place before 1936 and if they were the answer to ending the depression, why were we in a depression for an additional 2 years?

WWII started for America on December 8, 1941; beginning in late 1938 we began ramping up for WWII with lend lease among other things. The economy literally exploded over night, not to make any puns.

The point is, massive government spending is not the fix all for a bad economy. We didn't learn that in 1935, and we damn sure didn't learn it in 2009.......